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2020/01/22 08:38:26 (permalink)
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PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature

Hi,
We are looking for a faster programming tool for DsPIC33F  in production and bench (only a batch of 200 boards reprogramming, and ~100 boards reprogramming on bench), so I saw PicKit4 summary has the words as below for programmer-to-go feature.
 
"The MPLAB PICkit 4 now has Programmer-to-Go functionality for 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit PIC MCUs and dsPICs and also SAM MCU devices . The firmware update comes with MPLAB X IDE v5.30. AVR is expected soon!"
 
 I have two questions.
1) Does PicKit 4 support this programmer-to-go functionality now or we have to wait the updated firmware?
2) Does PicKit 4 support the programming for production? I read PicKit3 user's guide which suggests to use PicKit 3 programmer-to-go feature only for development, not for production (but no explanation why not for production though...). But PicKit 4 user's guide is not specified yet.
 
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 10:31:57 (permalink)
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    Download the latest MPLAB X v5.30, install and connect your PICKit 4.  MPLAB will update the FW in the PICKit 4 and then you should be able to use the PTG feature with your device.  Just follow the directions in the PICkit 4 users guide that comes with MPLAB X v5.30

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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 10:35:19 (permalink)
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    I have Tried the PICKit4 programmer-to-go on a PIC32MZ and a dsPIC30. (MPLabX V5.30 IPE)  It worked with both.
    I did not do a time Comparison with the PICKit3.
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 11:12:29 (permalink)
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    Thank you for the reply for my first question. What about my second question? Is it allowed to be used in production or many boards in a row?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 11:23:33 (permalink)
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    Past Posts have indicated the The PICKit3 was not a Production Programmer because its construction was too weak, and it would not last.  I would assume the same for the PICKit4.
    Note: you will need a MicroSDHC flash card formatted for FAT32.
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 11:24:58 (permalink)
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    Is it allowed to be used in production or many boards in a row?
    No, it's prohibited. Once you try to do this the PICkit4 explodes and causes severe injures to the violator and all his family.
    post edited by MBedder - 2020/01/23 11:26:00
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 11:33:22 (permalink)
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    MBedder
    Is it allowed to be used in production or many boards in a row?
    No, it's prohibited. Once you try to do this the PICkit4 explodes and causes severe injures to the violator and all his family.



    Actually, wasn't someone complaining about programming over 200 times?  Was that a PICKit3 or 4?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/23 11:44:44 (permalink)
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    Xiaoling
    Thank you for the reply for my first question. What about my second question? Is it allowed to be used in production or many boards in a row?



    Long time ago, programmers had to produce stable voltage for flash programming. Production programming had to be better at this than regular ones. It is no longer the case. Now PICs generate the voltage internally (certainly all dsPIC33s) and program themselves. A programmer merely passes the information and programming commands. Therefore there's no difference between production and non-production programmers.
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/24 08:59:36 (permalink)
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    Are there any official words about the programming in production question from Microchip?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/30 06:40:37 (permalink)
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    Do I have to open another thread for this question in order to get the Microchip's expert attention?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/30 06:45:16 (permalink)
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    XiaolingAre there any official words about the programming in production question from Microchip?
    This is a user's community forum. To get the official words you have to open a private support ticket.


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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/01/30 08:27:35 (permalink)
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    Pickit 3 wasn't suitable as a production programmer because it provided zero protection on the ICSP lines. In production you do don't know what errors might exist in an untested board, and you don't want the programmer to damage them (or vice versa).
     
    Pickit 4 has some protection (but I don't think as much as ICD 3 or 4) and is considered a production programmer by Microchip -
    http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/MPLAB_PICkit_4_ICD_User's_Guide_DS50002751C.pdf
    See the last line of section 1.2 (on page 12)
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/04/07 04:51:22 (permalink)
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    Hello.
     
    In Pickit4 programmer to go Feature, it seems like it is only possible to send a file to SD Card, when the respective PIC would be connected to Pickit4. 
    In Pickit3, it was not necessary, that the PIC have to be present, to send the file to Pickit.
    Is there any chance, to send file to Pickit4, even if the respective PIC is not connected?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/04/07 06:15:28 (permalink)
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    It appears that only being able to send a file while it is connected is a bug, since there is a check box for it.
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/04/07 18:08:19 (permalink)
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    MBedder
    Is it allowed to be used in production or many boards in a row?
    No, it's prohibited. Once you try to do this the PICkit4 explodes and causes severe injures to the violator and all his family.

    I have had my pickit 3 for a few years now and must have programmed hundreds of devices.
    The ribbon cable connector from pickit3 to programming pcb broke once but it was cheap to replace it.
    I built up my own programming pcb from strip board with a ZIF socket on it and that works great.
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/04/08 03:24:19 (permalink)
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    Hello.
     
    I'm almost new here.
    Where is the right place, to report some bugs in PICkit4 and MPLAB X IPE ?
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    Re: PicKit4 programmer-to-go feature 2020/04/08 06:31:19 (permalink)
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    You can report them to others here. The official report is a support ticket. Report there if you want it fixed.
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    Microchip support ticket 2020/04/08 23:21:06 (permalink)
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    I'm sorry, but I cannot find where to place a support ticket to Microchip.
    Can someone send me the respective link?
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    Re: Microchip support ticket 2020/04/08 23:28:21 (permalink)

    I also post at: PicForum
    Links to useful PIC information: http://picforum.ric323.co...opic.php?f=59&t=15
    NEW USERS: Posting images, links and code - workaround for restrictions.
    To get a useful answer, always state which PIC you are using!
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    Re: Microchip support ticket 2020/04/09 00:03:24 (permalink)
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    Yes I know that page (www.microchip.com/support)
    But here I just find a real jungle of options, but where EXACTLY can I find the place, to create a ticket?
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