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MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK4?

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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/30 09:06:23 (permalink)
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To be honest i hoped it would be a much, much smaller chip + minimal circuit that was going to replace the PKOB

 
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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/30 09:15:02 (permalink)
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Lack of HVP is probably just as dangerous: if it's you're only programmer debugger, it's far to easy to disable LVP and brick your target, at least until you can get hold of an HVP.



You cannot brick a PIC with LVP programmer. The LVP programmer cannot clear the LVP bit. This is a safety feature built in every PIC by Microchip.
 
HVP is indeed dangerous. If you accidentally start programming PIC24 or PIC32 with a PIC16 project, the target may not survive.
 
HVP is only useful for very low pin count PICs because it frees up the MCLR pin for general use. Otherwise, it's a remnant of the past.
 
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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/31 05:42:21 (permalink)
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Other than an even more cut-down version of the PICKit4; i fail to see the point of the Snap. not being able to power ANY target is just silly,LVP only is a major limitation,not just for PIC's but definately for any AVR parts.
The PICKit4, incidentally, has a 'green-light' coverage of just 5% of Microchips part range, according to the latest release notes; around 130 out of almost 2500...so much for the 'Production Programmer' it was touted as when i bought it...after three revisions of MPLAB-X it still beta all the way.
The little 'pay-per-feature' hinted at for the PK4 is a bad sign too; microchip are obviously confusing development tools with video games, and trying to upsell to 'unlock' exta features.This gives a real insight into the current mindset at microchip...are we paying for false promises,toys, or development tools? i really don't know any more.
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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/31 05:48:51 (permalink)
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The little 'pay-per-feature' hinted at for the PK4 is a bad sign too; microchip are obviously confusing development tools with video games, and trying to upsell to 'unlock' exta features.This gives a real insight into the current mindset at microchip...are we paying for false promises,toys, or development tools? i really don't know any more.



But as I pointed out elsewhere there are already at least two Pay-per-Feature features for the Real Ice, PtF is not new. These Real Ice features have been around for a long time now. Just because microchip produce a real cheap programmer/debugger that has the ability to add more features by purchasing them is a no-brainer to me. It is rather a case of 'you get what you paid for', especially if you got one for free at Masters.
 

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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/31 05:52:08 (permalink)
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- Absence of target voltage is a concern, but as others noted it's on par with many of the tools from the competition
- LVP only is not really a limitation, unless you use only > 10yo parts, in which case the chinese clones of old tools are widely available for less than what microchip asks for the snap.
- PK4/ICD4 part coverage is sure a concern, but as larry hinted this is probably due to how they decided to re-do the programmers from scratch. There are a load of parts that need testing. best you can do is drop a line to microchip and ask for them to add support for the parts you need, so they know what to do next. I did it with my personal gmail account, i got promptly answered and in the following release of X all the parts were at least yellow (not all members of family, only the specific parts i requested) some even green.
- pay per feature is a concern BUT somebody up here suggested it refers to remote usb debugging and some other things that are already a paid addon
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Re: MPLABX 5.05 adds support to a stripped-down PK4. what's up with Pay-Per-Feature for PK 2018/08/31 07:05:53 (permalink)
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I would hope a payed add-on would NOT be the SD card feature in the PICKit4...certainly a case of not getting what you payed for!
I don't know if it works yet...anyone tried with 'X v5.05?
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