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Should I be worry about Microchip?

Hi
 
Sorry, I do not understand what's happening here.
 
In version 4.2 old mistakes are back.
Memory in Dashboard, ASM files can not be saved.
Definitely some more. Those problems are so old!
Forum also does not work correctly.
 
Should I be worry about Microchip?
 
We earn with those tools our money (and you through us). The tools have to work or it is a fun club only.
 
I look for a message from the developer.
 
Greetings
Andy
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    katela
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 06:00:50 (permalink)
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    Maybe you can open a ticket with with to be certain to get a reply form them. They rarely respond in the forum.

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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 07:10:47 (permalink)
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    George does respond here for certain issues.
    List your issues clearly.  If he does not respond, then put in a Support Ticket.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 13:35:22 (permalink)
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    NKurzman
    George does respond here for certain issues.

    Specifically, anything to do with the simulator.
    He's just another passenger in the train wreck of the rest of the IDE.

    This forum is mis-configured so it only works correctly if you access it via https protocol.
    The Microchip website links to it using http protocol. Will they ever catch on?
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 14:32:17 (permalink)
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    train wreck <3

    GENOVA :D :D ! GODO
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 19:21:30 (permalink)
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    Future is hard to see. After Atmel acquisition, the faith of the PICs is not clear. The pace of new releases has slowed down. Looks like Microchip is favouring former Atmel products. It is entirely possible that the whole PIC ecosystem may be left dying a slow death. But there's no way to know really.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/12 19:40:24 (permalink)
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    Microchip has considerable investment in the PIC architecture.  I think the PIC32 line is going to go towards the Atmel side, but there are new releases for the dsPIC33 and PIC24 lines that are now out and more coming... at least that is what I am told.  :)
     
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/13 08:14:26 (permalink)
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    I suspect Microchip will be driven by sales of the silicon.
    I think those chips that are selling will continue forwards.
    I think the Atmel acquisition was to secure more market share.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 05:22:24 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all the answers. I think Microchip will survive.
    Too bad that actually good chips (I have no problems) will be harmed by bad tools.
     
    Hi developer, any sign of life?!
    Any explanation why?
    What's the point of this forum?
     
    Andy
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 05:37:55 (permalink)
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    As katela mentioned in post#2, this is a user to user forum, NOT a way to communicate with the developers.
    You have to create a "Support Ticket" to get a response from Microchip.
    How to submit a technical support case?
     

    This forum is mis-configured so it only works correctly if you access it via https protocol.
    The Microchip website links to it using http protocol. Will they ever catch on?
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 07:26:14 (permalink)
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    andy_n
    Thanks for all the answers. I think Microchip will survive.

     
    This is funny. I think in the end, there will be Intel, Xilinx, Analog Devices, TI, and Microchip. All else will be assimilated. Microchip has bought every manufacturer of LAN chips I've ever used except for Marvell. SMSC, Micrel, and now Microsemi. Microsemi also makes Igloo FPGAs which we use heavily. The $10B Microsemi purchase makes the Atmel purchase look like pocket change.
     
     

    Oh well - there's always next year
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 08:24:16 (permalink)
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    Interesting you didn't mention Renesas, since they are, and have been for ages, number 1 in micro-controllers.
     
    That said, I don't know why. It has to be large (automotive?) customers keeping it there. I just looked up Renesas on Farnell. They list 128 micro-controllers. Click "in stock" and that drops to 5, and 3 of them are only "Available until stock is exhausted".
    So 2 devices.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 08:48:59 (permalink)
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    Actually NXP is tops now and Renesas is losing share. But I wasn't thinking just microcontrollers. Really I was just thinking that there is a lot of consolidation going on in the industry. Big companies gobbled up by even bigger companies. Small companies with a good idea getting snatched up. I've been surprised over the last few years how fast Microchip has been growing.  A major acquisition every 2 to 4 years for at least a dozen years now.
     
    I also think it's funny when people complain about Microchip support for smaller customers because Microchip depends on the "little guys" for sales. They sell a billion PICs a year. That ain't being bought by the "little guys" (and I'm a little guy in this arena).

    Oh well - there's always next year
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 09:35:11 (permalink)
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    I've got my eye on Cypress.  Been pretty impressed with their PSoC line of controllers.  Having that easily configurable digital design space can be such a help.
    post edited by KTrenholm - 2018/07/17 09:40:57
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 10:03:56 (permalink)
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    I suspect Microchip will be driven by sales of the silicon.
    I think those chips that are selling will continue forwards.
    I think the Atmel acquisition was to secure more market share.



    If you buy out competition, you can increase prices and thus profits.
     
    After the acquisition, you don't need to have two different lines of the same. Cutting one of them will cut expenses by half thereby increasing the profits. The customers, of course, will simply switch to the other line. In a long run, the only question is which line will survive.
     
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/17 11:01:14 (permalink)
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    Hi qub,
     
    qɥb
    As katela mentioned in post#2, this is a user to user forum, NOT a way to communicate with the developers.
    You have to create a "Support Ticket" to get a response from Microchip.
    How to submit a technical support case?

     
    What should I write on the ticket. It is crap.
    Problems of 4.15 are repaired in 4.20, others are back.
    Any version I have installed with the hope now you can work: finally, it has disappointed me.
     
    I want to work, it's all.
    Would be nice if only my problems would have to solve.
     
    Andy
     
     
     
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/19 06:49:59 (permalink)
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    Based on my experience if you want to avoid problems use an older toolset...or two,or use third-party tools;there seems to be a continual 'yeah we must fix that..sometime' attitude at microchip;and the situation isn't improving!
    hell,i even had to set the forum to 'mobile' mode to even log in! point proven...
    Avoiding 'bleeding-edge' and doing it this way is far from ideal...the downside is you can only use 'last-years' chips and some very,er 'legacy' code examples,many of which have their own bugs to add into the mix. along with their respective 'moving target' documentation (here today but changed/gone tomorrow)
    On the plus side at least the programmers generally work with the chips,and any problems are better documented (third party web sites, good luck finding anything on microchips shambolic web pages..) and you can get used to doing things without everything changing and needing to be re-learned all over again,ad infinitum. familiarity builds experience and saves time.
    The current programming hardware seems to be entirely based on the 'sell it then hope it works' school of thinking;my one and only attempt at a web-ticket response (PICKit4 not releasing MCLR lines on 12F parts) resulted in the advice to repeat what i had already tried...and i haven't had any further response.
    Not exactly encouraging; when i could have bought any number of complete boards for the same,or less, price from other manufacturers,which work straight out of the box; and encourage me to use their range instead...i had considered upgrading to an ICD4 to at least try and play catch-up...not a cat-in-hells chance now.as i'm still learning,i could never be sure if it was my error or the tools...it's an uncertainty and an expense (in both time and money) i can do without.
     
    If microchip are serious about selling more,rather than just buying more companies, they really need to get their act together; at the moment they are positively driving customers away...have you noticed the falling numbers of web pages mentioning PIC micro's? or the ones 'moving on' from them to ARM core? given the current state of play;i don't think it is any coincidence... and perhaps one of the main reasons they bought ATMEL.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/19 13:31:00 (permalink)
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    I have to run three MPLAB X versions depending on what I’m doing, some things are only supported in newer versions, but then newer versions break odd things, for example 4.05 thru 4.20 don’t work with at least one debug header that I often use. I need to use the more recent versions to support the newer chips, or requirements of Harmony versions.
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/20 07:26:13 (permalink)
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    It would seem the future of Atmel Studio 7 has been addressed with MpLab X 5.0
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    Re: Should I be worry about Microchip? 2018/07/21 00:23:08 (permalink)
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    I tried 5.0.
    Memory in Dashboard: no changes
    ASM files can be saved. Hurray!!! (please excuse sarcasm).
     
    I give up. It costs a lot of time and does not change anything.
    For me as a manufacturer, the opinion of the customers (users) is very important.
     
    Too bad.
     
     
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