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2018/04/12 11:45:53 (permalink)
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PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus

PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus programming software to replace the existing PICKit 2 and PICKit 3 programming software.
 
PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus programming software is huge update to the software that has been 'out of support' formal support for many, many years.
 
PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus programming software enables the use of the PICKit 2 and PICKit 3 programmers to program the newer parts like the 16f18855 and the 18f24k42 (and all the related family parts -these are just two examples).  
 
The new software has two new protocols to support these newer parts, and, many enhancements to address Windows 10 usage and access control issues when using other versions of Windows.   This new software also has a change to the parts database to support the new parts plus the addition of many new parts... but, I sure some parts will be missing.
 
The fixes and changes have been tested on Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 10 (32 and 64 bit).
 
I am looking for people to test PICKit 2Plus.  This has been tested by a small set of folks but it needs a little bigger group of testers.  If you are willing to test - there is installation package included then please send me a personal message.  I can share the download URL and the testing protocol.
 
 There are bound to be issues and problems - hence the ask for test help.
 
I will release PICKit 3Plus once  PICKit 2Plus is out in the wild.
post edited by Anobium - 2018/04/12 11:57:23

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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/12 11:50:34 (permalink)
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The revised user interface showing one of the newer parts, using the newly implemented protocols, and other user interface changes such the part family number, part Unique ID and silicon revisions.  The revised Help shows the full parts supported.
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/12 11:54:48 (permalink)
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Windows Support
 
PICKit 2Plus now includes a revised installer including the updated parts database, .NET of Windows XP support.  Changes the PICKit 2Plus ini file to now save the ini file to user location rather then the installation folder which should resolve many of the installation and use ability issues.
 
PICKit 2Plus has been tested on Windows XP, 7 and 10 on 32 and 64 operating system variants.
 
 
 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/15 22:09:07 (permalink)
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Hi,
I have the good old PICkit 2 can test, could you share the plus programming software link?
Will program some 18F2* 18F4* mcus. 
 
Cheers,
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/16 00:01:59 (permalink)
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Hi,
the image is very similar to my main window of mine modified version. In 2013 I started to improve the software by adding new parts. The PICkit2 + was renamed to PICkit 2.5 when firmware was modified.
Sorry, the language of forum is hungarian.
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/20 08:36:26 (permalink)
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Thanks.
I had a read of that forum thread but can't found a download link for 
either PICkit 2Plus or PICkit 2.5?
Has it been released to test yet?
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/27 10:17:37 (permalink)
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@Rampage. Yes.  Send me a PM. Others have.  :-)
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/27 10:20:04 (permalink)
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@Scasis 
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Hi,
the image is very similar to my main window of mine modified version. In 2013 I started to improve the software by adding new parts. The PICkit2 + was renamed to PICkit 2.5 when firmware was modified.
Sorry, the language of forum is hungarian.




Your work was very good.  Google translate is excellent!
 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/04/27 23:41:22 (permalink)
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Latest parts list can be found here.   Adding parts daily.
 
https://github.com/Anobiu.../PICKitPlusDevices.txt
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 08:46:01 (permalink)
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News.
 
PICKItPlus is now on general release.  We are providing to people daily.
 
See http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/pickitPlus for information on how to obtain.
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 09:23:59 (permalink)
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I am interested in donating and obtaining PICKit Plus.

- my email address is :
- PayPay account       :
- Donation                   : £23 GBP

This look like requesting payment.
 
   Mysil
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 09:34:11 (permalink)
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The whole story.
 
PICKit Plus comes in three variants - a Windows GUI application for the PICKIT2 programmer,  another Windows GUI application for the PICKIT3 programmer and a command line utility for both the PICKIT2 and PICKIT3 programmers.

We have updated, revised and added new protocols to support the Microchip 8 bit parts released since Microchip dropped support, in 2009 and 2012 for PK2 and PK3 GUI applications, and, very importantly support for the newer range of Microchip parts (hence the new protocols).  Updated the parts database, help etc.  So, we tested and got folks to test even more - results were very good.   We did not not share the application too far as we had a 'Go To Market' plan.... see next paragraph.

Then, we started the 'Go To Market' plan.  The plan was relatively simple.  Option One was to ask Microchip to take the development back under the banner of Microchip.  This is the easier option for everyone.  Microchip would get the credit for work, a commercial arrangement would cover the support costs, Microchip would 'certificate sign' the PICKit Plus applications (as this is not cheap) and then the software would be released to you all as freeware.  As it was in the past.

Well after working with the Microchip 8-Bit Division Vice President...the response he got was a bit of a surprise from the Microchip Programmer Division. 
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They (Microchip Programmer Division) did not seem very excited… (do not think they would like to prolong the old PICKiT products at all…..
 
Yes, a brace was missing in the response.  :-)

So, we have to go to the next step in the 'Go To Market' plan.  Find the funding for the application packaging, sort out licensing, and release a new package in a more complex manner.  

Summary.

We have a very good programming suite for the PICKIT2 and PICKIT3 programmers that will extend the life of your programmer/investment.  No need to buy a new programmer just to program a part, and, all you old parts work with PICKIT Plus.     But, we need donations.  We are not a charity and there are real costs that have to borne to release a signed and maintain an application like PICKit Plus.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Evan
post edited by Anobium - 2018/07/31 09:37:27
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 09:44:36 (permalink)
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Maybe this could become a project on kickstarter or some similar site
Or sold on http://www.embeddedcodesource.com/
Or posted in https://www.microchip.com/forums/f56.aspx
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 09:52:41 (permalink)
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We are not wanting/wishing to make a huge project of this.  We had a plan that went 'phutt'.
 
Thank you for the URLs - these are good.  Most grateful.  I will investigate tomorrow.
 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/07/31 09:56:45 (permalink)
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I should have mentioned... we are currently fixing a long standing bug where some devices loose the BANDGAP configuration and we are updating the device supported.

Re BandGap this should be fixed in the next few weeks and then released as part of our release cycle.
For latest list of devices download https://sourceforge.net/projects/pickit3plus/files/readmetxt.markdown/download
 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/08/01 11:28:59 (permalink)
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where are the actual aplications to download? all i can find is the device files.
i'm not exactly surprised the people at microchip are so luke-warm about helping in any way;they make their living trying to fix the new hardware being being sold,and develop the next ones; they have their eyes on the horizon not looking backwards.Whether the decision to kill off the old pickits was based on technical problems (of which there where many,lack of internal memory space for one) or purely commercial interests (shifting products) is anyones guess.
The PICKit 2 was a real surprise to microchip; developed in-house by an enginer who's since left,it was first released as a bit of a 'gimmick' but took off beyond their wildest dreams,and earned a place in the hearts and labs of millions of hobbyists and pro's simply because it just worked.The PK3 was a rework,based on 'the more the merrier' (as you know,it even used the same device file...) but never quite worked as well,and doesn't have the same following.Now this has been dumped as well, in favour of the PICKit4; which has all the features people have asked for in one fairly cheap little 'dongle'.This also has more than its fair share of problems; as i've found out...i see there may be a small market for this software,as people love to keep using things they are comfortable with.I would pay for an application that added features and support to the PICKits; i hate to 'skip' things that just get out-dated. (but then i haven't forgiven microchip for making the Picstart Plus obsolete!) if you asked for money/donations it should cover its  'real-world' costs; or release it as FOSS and see if it survives in the wildwink: wink
either way; keep up the good work!
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/08/01 12:24:23 (permalink)
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AnobiumPICKit Plus comes in three variants - a Windows GUI application for the PICKIT2 programmer,  another Windows GUI application for the PICKIT3 programmer and a command line utility for both the PICKIT2 and PICKIT3 programmers.
Why not make a single GUI application for both PICKIT2 and PICKIT3 which automatically detects which of the two guys is currently connected?


 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/08/01 12:57:22 (permalink)
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Lots of questions.
 
See http://gcbasic.sourceforge.net/pickitPlus for information on how to obtain.
 
I have spoken with the developers at some length, and, the description of the development program is the same story I have heard.  
 
The rational for the three applications is relatively simple.  PK2 programmer has capabilities and the specific application is needed for those capabilities.  PK3 programmer has capabilities and the specific application is needed for those capabilities.  We have totally re-written the command line utility from the ground-up.  So, to rewrite the GUI for the PK2 and the PK3 to expose the different capabilities would be a few 1000 hours.  We have already spent a huge number of hours sorting out the bugs and the new protocols - so, three applications going forward.
 
We are covering costs with the donation program.  We are moving to DONATIONBOX soon to ease the donation process.
 
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/08/12 08:16:17 (permalink)
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Update
 
Support Devices: We have updated the parts database to add more parts and to improve quality. See https://sourceforge.net/projects/pickit3plus/ for the latest parts database.  Remember the newer parts are only supported when you use PICKit Plus software as the PICKit Plus software has the new protocols needed.
 
Software: We are adding support for 12f675 etc parts for Bandgap.  This will be available very soon. Bandgap was an open bug in the Microchip software and meant the parts like the 12f675 where being programmed with the incorrect tolerance setting for Bandgap.
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Re: PICKit 2Plus and PICKit 3Plus 2018/08/12 12:47:51 (permalink)
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Frankly speaking, a really good universal ICSP programmer hardware should NOT contain any MCU because the modern FT232H/FT2232H chips have all the necessary for this - HS USB at host (PC) side and UART/FIFO/MPSSE at MCU side. Any of the primitive programming interface the PIC8/16/32/AVR/SAM/ST MCU are using can be easily emulated by properly handling and efficiently using the FTxxxxH facilities while debugging is not necessary at all. All you need is just ONE smart programmer guy who should write the GUI application without using any bulky frameworks.
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