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PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version?

I see that Microchip has announced the new version PICKIT 4. Does anyone have experience with this new version?
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/02/27 11:56:43 (permalink)
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    I am waiting for mine
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/02/27 12:51:45 (permalink)
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    Thanks Jim, I will be anxious to read the reviews!
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/03/02 17:35:54 (permalink)
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    My PicKit 4 showed up this afternoon
    It came up fine on MpLabX 4.15 and IPE 4.15
    I tried it with a DM164127-2 Low Pin Count USB Development Kit with a PIC16F1459
     
    It erased, programmed fine.
    The breakpoints worked well.
    It supplied the power as requested ( from the USB the PicKit 4 was plugged into ).
    The case is warm to the touch 10 degrees F rise above ambient
    As time goes on I will try it with larger chips
     
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/03/02 18:02:41 (permalink)
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    Mine showed up too, but are still in Receiving.
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/03/08 17:58:58 (permalink)
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    I've used it to program the PIC32MZ series EFH144 and DAH176 chips and it's much faster at programming. I haven't measured accurately but it's about 3 times faster than the PICkit 3 at programming.
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/03/09 11:48:52 (permalink)
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    Many thanks to everyone that has posted abou the new PICKIT 4. The PICKIT 3 is fairly notorious for being picky and obstinate about connecting, does the new version 4 appear to be any better at this? Also the PICKIT 3 had limited capability to provide power to pic being programmed and often reported the Vdd as being different then the actual value seen on the pic, any better in 4?
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/03/10 02:05:24 (permalink)
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    I am very familiar with that particular pickit 3 problem, incredibly annoying :)

    I can't yet say for sure if it's gone with the pickit 4 but I've programmed and powered a few different custom boards that the pickit 3 couldn't do because of the error you mentioned. So at the very least it's better.

    I'll be testing it a lot over the next few days and will be sure to post my experiences here.
    post edited by aidanmocke - 2018/03/10 02:06:53
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/04/26 05:49:31 (permalink)
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    Mine arrived a couple of days ago so I've only been using it for a few hours but first impressions are good.
     
    The most important thing for me is that the programming speed significantly faster.
    I bought it from Microchip Direct as an upgrade from a PicKit 3 after reading aidanmocke's post above
     
    In my case the programming is so fast that at first I kept having to double check the output messages to make sure that the device was actually programmed.  That for me is worth the money. 
     
    It makes the edit, build, program cycle almost seamless. I haven't measured the time from hitting "build/program" to seeing the PIC come out of reset but I would be surprised if it was more than 5 seconds.  With my PicKit 3 this was taking what felt like almost a minute every time (again I've not actually timed it).
     
    Debugging seems faster too.  It doens't seem to take any where near as long switching between "normal" and "debug" modes and the debugging experience seems to be on the whole more responsive.
     
    I'm programming from MPLABX 4.15 and the PIC I'm currently using is a PIC32MX170F256D. So that is a fairly "big" chip to program. 

    I'd not been too concerned about programming speed with my Pickit 3 on other devices with less flash like a PIC32MX150F128B so I don't know if programming the MX170 is different in some way other than just having more flash
     
    So, for me with the PIC32MX170 the Pickit 4 has definitly been a worthwhile upgrade.
     
     
     
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/04/26 06:05:33 (permalink)
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    Hi,
     
    I just noticed recently that it has a uSD card connector.
    Probably for the future Progrmmer To Go mode which has been promised in the next MPLAB X release ;=)
     
    Internally Pickit4 has  a SAM7 @300Mhz with USB HS against a PIC24FJ256GB106 @32MHz with USB FS !!
    It definitely makes a hughe performance difference ;=)
     
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/04/26 13:39:49 (permalink)
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    Internally Pickit4 has  a SAM7 @300Mhz with USB HS against a PIC24FJ256GB106 @32MHz with USB FS !!
    It definitely makes a hughe performance difference ;=)



    Not really. USB Full Speed has plenty of bandwidth. PICkit3 utilizes only a tiny fraction of this. There's absolutely no reason to use USB High Speed. 300 MHz MCU is also a huge overkill for the task.
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/05/15 09:43:10 (permalink)
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    Hi
     
    I have one simple question about the pickit 4. Does it programs / flashes more fast than the Pickit 2 on a pic16F628, pic18F2520, for example?
    I know there is no comparison on the programmers but the Pickit 2 was a simpler ICSP and didn't require the switching between families. However it was not compliant with newer targets that uses less voltage... But it still works pretty decent for older families and had the eeprom programming feature.
     
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/05/15 10:12:40 (permalink)
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    Is it faster than a PICKit2, Yes.
    Will you notice it with a pic16F628? Doubtful. Will the Overhead of MPlabX make the total time longer? Probably.
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/05/15 23:06:02 (permalink)
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    I've received mine but it doesn't support my pic24e for the moment. Microchip has answered me it will be ok with the next Ide update.
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/05/16 02:27:52 (permalink)
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    Mine does not release from reset after successful build, program and verify.
    I was informed that this is an issue and will be taken care in the next update of MPLAB X. So I'm continuing with the PK3 as of now.
    MPLAB X IDE v4.15 with PIC24FJ256GB106.
     http://www.microchip.com/forums/m1050560.aspx
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    post edited by microlab - 2018/05/16 02:50:39
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/06/06 12:22:59 (permalink)
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    Mine is holding the PGC pin low after programming the 12F1572; disconnecting just this line allows the code to run.
    NOT a 'fix' but a 'workround'...
    However, it doesn't play nicely at all with the 12F675;randomly reading zero's from verified parts memories,it also tramples over the OSCALL value and has no way of restoring it.
    It did work with 16F690 and 18F45K22 and did everything very quickly (faster than PICKit3)
    i'm waiting for MPLAB IPE v4.20...if it is, pardon the pun, 'released', before i send it back...
     
    post edited by HackInBlack - 2018/06/06 12:45:38
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/06/19 04:07:10 (permalink)
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    hi
    where to download the stand alone programmer software for pickit 4....
    i didnot find the software like the pickit 3 has ...
    send me link to download the soft...
    thanks
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/06/19 13:55:18 (permalink)
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    Should come with the latest versions of MPLABX.
     

    This forum is mis-configured so it only works correctly if you access it via https protocol.
    The Microchip website links to it using http protocol. Will they ever catch on?
    PicForum "it just works"
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/06/19 14:49:36 (permalink)
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    Not in the Just released V4.20
    Maybe Next Release (~3 months)
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    Re: PICKIT 4 - anyone with experience with this new version? 2018/06/19 15:39:24 (permalink)
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    hi
    where to download the stand alone programmer software for pickit 4....
    i didnot find the software like the pickit 3 has ...
    send me link to download the soft...
    thanks


    MPLABX 4.20 download appears to come with MPLABX IPE 4.20 which lists support for the pickit 4.
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