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Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ

Looks like Microchip has chosen to rename the Atmel SAM series as PIC32Cx...
 
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00002499A.pdf
 
What's next? Renaming the AVR ATmega/ATtiny as PIC18?
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/25 20:04:16 (permalink)
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    PIC19 it is one Louder.
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/25 22:58:55 (permalink)
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    What invasion are you talking about? If they are renaming SAM parts, then why is the SAM datasheet still available on the Microchip website. 
     
    The company may come out with Cortex based micro controllers with the PIC32 branding. That does not mean that SAM series will be stopped. And isn't a Cortex based PIC32 what we all have asked for, from a very long time?
     
     
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 02:47:11 (permalink)
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    leftShiftedWhat invasion are you talking about? If they are renaming SAM parts, then why is the SAM datasheet still available on the Microchip website. 
     
    The company may come out with Cortex based micro controllers with the PIC32 branding. That does not mean that SAM series will be stopped. And isn't a Cortex based PIC32 what we all have asked for, from a very long time?

     
    If you called STM32 a PIC32, does that make it a PIC32? People still have to learn a new MCU, datasheet, peripherals, tools, ecosystem. That is not what people asked for.
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 07:53:49 (permalink)
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    What invasion are you talking about? If they are renaming SAM parts, then why is the SAM datasheet still available on the Microchip website. 
     
    The company may come out with Cortex based micro controllers with the PIC32 branding. That does not mean that SAM series will be stopped. And isn't a Cortex based PIC32 what we all have asked for, from a very long time?



    It's confusing. Why not just have two lines: PIC32 and SAM? Why rename a well-known product (SAM) and confuse it with another well-known product (PIC32)?
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 08:19:12 (permalink)
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    but will the pic32cz be supported under mplabx or atmel studio.....
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 10:25:25 (permalink)
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    but will the pic32cz be supported under mplabx or atmel studio....

     
    Maybe Microchip will rename Atmel Studio to MPLAB Z.  wink: wink
     
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 10:29:05 (permalink)
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    world war Z :D
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 10:31:00 (permalink)
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    Harmony 2.03b has references to the PIC32CX and PIC32CZ series under the "packs" directory.  Looking at the header files, they really do appear to be renames of the Atmel SAM parts given the peripheral names and such.
     
    This does sort of make sense since the future of MIPS is uncertain.  Imagination Technologies recently announced that they were selling off MIPS (which they acquired in late 2012) and then later announced that the whole company is up for sale.  Unless Microchip has still got all that sweet 8-bit money burning holes in their pockets and buys MIPS, I would not expect to see many future MIPS-based PIC32s.  I assume there'll be a DA part with the FPU added back in and more variants to fill in every little niche in their product line, but what else?
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 10:42:36 (permalink)
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    It's logical Jim.
     
    Snickers were called Marathons.
    Star Bursts were called Opal Fruits.

    MPLab X playing up, bug in your code? Nevermind, Star Trek:Discovery will be with us soon.
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/26 13:05:02 (permalink)
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    All PICs have similar set of peripherals. You can find similarities between PIC16, PIC18, PIC24 and PIC32. Sometimes, peripheral modules just migrate through. For example, new PIC32MK has a sophisticated PWM module borrowed from dsPIC33EP. Other brands (such as Atmel) also offer the whole set of peripherals which are different from Microchip's. Now we're going to have PICs which have Atmel periphery. Aside of confusing parametric searches (which are very confusing already) what's the point of this?
     
    I guess if Microchip wanted ARM instead of MIPS (wasn't it clear that it's going to come to this from the beginning), they could have create new PIC series with ARM instead of MIPS? How hard would that be? PIC32 people would seamlessly migrate to this new PICs (instead of escaping to STM) - customer loyalty and all that. Instead, they're going to struggle with New Harmony which is now going to be adapted to Atmel peripherals. And all that after recent shock-and-awe transition to MPLAB X and then to Old Harmony. Why?
     
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/27 00:18:34 (permalink)
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    Actually I think I'd prefer to see pic development and harmony move to atmel studio - I haven't used it exaustively, but it seems like a really nice environment, maybe more stable than mplab-x ?
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/28 23:05:45 (permalink)
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    What's all the fuss? People have been begging to see ARM based PIC's for years, I think it's a good business strategy, combine the longevity of the PIC ecosystem with the modern popularity of ARM. 
    I for one cannot wait for them to be released and I know of a few people who are just as eager to get their hands on ARM based PIC's!!
     
    This is what PIC fanboys have been waiting for! People all say the PIC is obsolete and ARM is the future, but everyone knows that PICs are reliable  and have longevity and Microchip has a good reputation as a supplier. A reputable supplier pushing ARM parts? I'm on board!
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 00:35:44 (permalink)
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    The trend is more like having (ex-) Atmel cores with Microchip peripherals.
    Although the other way round might be applicable as well.
    But IIRC, the first AVR derivatives with CIP have been announced already.
    post edited by du00000001 - 2017/07/29 07:37:30
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 03:46:05 (permalink)
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    How will that complete with the Raspery Pie ARM type little boards that do over 1GHZ, have built in HDMI gfx output, ethernet, loads of memory, quad core etc..
     
    They are cheap and have tons of support.
     
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 03:48:13 (permalink)
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    +++ 64bits.
    ARM is now and the future.
     

    MPLab X playing up, bug in your code? Nevermind, Star Trek:Discovery will be with us soon.
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 04:23:05 (permalink)
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    RPi is some type of "mini-desktop" computer. Try to implement an AC inverter with some RPi - and you will find it next-to-impossible.
    These are completely different areas of application: "hardest real-time" (even predictable - provided an evtl. cache is off) versus a lot of computing power - whose' availability is random to some extend.
    N.B.: I'm not against the RPi, but there are applications beyond media players and alike. In terms of hard real-time, RPi finishes second. Patriotism doesn't help at this point 😏
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 04:28:52 (permalink)
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    BTW: any mono-culture is prone to fail. There are competitors to the ARM (e.g. PowerPC derivatives) tzat have their specific advantages as well. Not to be forgotten: all these itsy-bitsy 8- and 16-Bit controllers ☺
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 07:00:02 (permalink)
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    What's all the fuss? People have been begging to see ARM based PIC's for years, I think it's a good business strategy, combine the longevity of the PIC ecosystem with the modern popularity of ARM. 
    I for one cannot wait for them to be released and I know of a few people who are just as eager to get their hands on ARM based PIC's!!



    The fuss is that instead of ARM based PICs you're getting already existing Atmel processors renamed into PICs.
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    Re: Invasion of the ARM Cortex! PIC32CZ 2017/07/29 07:06:28 (permalink)
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    RPi is some type of "mini-desktop" computer. Try to implement an AC inverter with some RPi - and you will find it next-to-impossible.
     



    Easy so long as you don't run Linux :)
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